1 00:00:01,740 --> 00:00:12,060 foreign 2 00:00:39,229 --> 00:00:20,620 [Music] 3 00:00:39,239 --> 00:00:44,400 foreign 4 00:00:44,410 --> 00:00:51,069 [Music] 5 00:00:59,090 --> 00:00:55,189 host and I have been wanting to do a 6 00:01:02,689 --> 00:00:59,100 show about the Frederick valentis case 7 00:01:05,030 --> 00:01:02,699 for a long time and so happy to have a 8 00:01:07,250 --> 00:01:05,040 guest on he actually is going to talk 9 00:01:10,910 --> 00:01:07,260 about he witnessed some part of the 10 00:01:13,550 --> 00:01:10,920 event he's been interested in UFOs and 11 00:01:15,469 --> 00:01:13,560 researching and he's thought about 12 00:01:17,630 --> 00:01:15,479 writing a book he said for over 40 years 13 00:01:21,410 --> 00:01:17,640 he finally did took him about five years 14 00:01:24,050 --> 00:01:21,420 so uh his name is George Simpson and 15 00:01:27,830 --> 00:01:24,060 right from Australia it's tomorrow there 16 00:01:29,090 --> 00:01:27,840 it's uh Wednesday and uh he is it's I 17 00:01:31,429 --> 00:01:29,100 think it's like 11 o'clock in the 18 00:01:35,149 --> 00:01:31,439 morning for him uh seven o'clock for us 19 00:01:37,789 --> 00:01:35,159 here on the east coast and our blog this 20 00:01:39,469 --> 00:01:37,799 week it's the last one we're finally 21 00:01:42,109 --> 00:01:39,479 getting to the last one of the series 22 00:01:44,690 --> 00:01:42,119 behind the scenes of UFO cover-up 23 00:01:48,289 --> 00:01:44,700 question mark live which was a series 24 00:01:50,749 --> 00:01:48,299 back in the 1980s this is part four and 25 00:01:53,270 --> 00:01:50,759 it is pretty interesting seeing as it 26 00:01:55,969 --> 00:01:53,280 goes along the mj-12 documents and 27 00:01:59,090 --> 00:01:55,979 things like that I really like the way 28 00:02:00,830 --> 00:01:59,100 Charles does his research and uncovers 29 00:02:02,630 --> 00:02:00,840 actually quite a bit of things so our 30 00:02:06,050 --> 00:02:02,640 blogs are always good they're made into 31 00:02:08,990 --> 00:02:06,060 a audio blog uh you know once a week we 32 00:02:10,969 --> 00:02:09,000 put those up as well and thank you so 33 00:02:13,250 --> 00:02:10,979 much for watching the show or listening 34 00:02:14,570 --> 00:02:13,260 to the show either way and as we go 35 00:02:16,670 --> 00:02:14,580 along today we're going to be talking 36 00:02:19,190 --> 00:02:16,680 about a few different things I'll make 37 00:02:21,890 --> 00:02:19,200 sure that they get posted somehow in the 38 00:02:23,990 --> 00:02:21,900 show notes so you can always check back 39 00:02:26,809 --> 00:02:24,000 with that so I want to thank everyone 40 00:02:28,550 --> 00:02:26,819 that listens to the show and I also want 41 00:02:30,949 --> 00:02:28,560 to thank everyone that supports the show 42 00:02:33,830 --> 00:02:30,959 anyone can do that for just two dollars 43 00:02:37,309 --> 00:02:33,840 or more a month and the link is over at 44 00:02:39,949 --> 00:02:37,319 podcast ufo.com same as where our blog 45 00:02:42,949 --> 00:02:39,959 is as well if you want to get on our 46 00:02:46,490 --> 00:02:42,959 Weekly Newsletter you can find out who's 47 00:02:48,770 --> 00:02:46,500 coming up uh for each it goes out once a 48 00:02:51,170 --> 00:02:48,780 week the day of the show so you know 49 00:02:54,290 --> 00:02:51,180 what the guest who the guest is and the 50 00:02:56,630 --> 00:02:54,300 blog is and I'm going to bring in our 51 00:02:57,729 --> 00:02:56,640 guest George Simpson right now hello 52 00:03:00,170 --> 00:02:57,739 George 53 00:03:02,330 --> 00:03:00,180 hello Martin how are you 54 00:03:05,509 --> 00:03:02,340 great and uh thank you for taking a 55 00:03:07,910 --> 00:03:05,519 little bit of time off of work uh thank 56 00:03:11,089 --> 00:03:07,920 you so we can talk about I think a very 57 00:03:12,530 --> 00:03:11,099 important uh and interesting UFO case 58 00:03:14,330 --> 00:03:12,540 thank you very much for having me on 59 00:03:16,130 --> 00:03:14,340 your program I really appreciate it 60 00:03:19,070 --> 00:03:16,140 having the opportunity to talk about 61 00:03:21,170 --> 00:03:19,080 this case um it's been a big part of my 62 00:03:24,170 --> 00:03:21,180 life the first thing I'd like to say 63 00:03:27,470 --> 00:03:24,180 about it is that this pilot 64 00:03:30,890 --> 00:03:27,480 um went missing he was only 20 years old 65 00:03:32,869 --> 00:03:30,900 right when he went missing um he and I 66 00:03:35,630 --> 00:03:32,879 were actually born the same year now I'm 67 00:03:38,509 --> 00:03:35,640 I'm no longer a 20 year old like I've 68 00:03:41,210 --> 00:03:38,519 been thinking about this case you know 69 00:03:45,050 --> 00:03:41,220 for 44 years I think about it every day 70 00:03:47,089 --> 00:03:45,060 and uh see I saw the plane go past 71 00:03:51,350 --> 00:03:47,099 uh the evening that he was heading out 72 00:03:53,570 --> 00:03:51,360 towards the um his eventual end which 73 00:03:55,070 --> 00:03:53,580 happened that evening or soon after 74 00:03:55,910 --> 00:03:55,080 anyway 75 00:03:57,890 --> 00:03:55,920 um 76 00:04:00,229 --> 00:03:57,900 took me a long time thinking about it 77 00:04:01,670 --> 00:04:00,239 before I I started doing the book and 78 00:04:04,670 --> 00:04:01,680 the book took about five years to write 79 00:04:07,449 --> 00:04:04,680 but look there's a story of a 20 year 80 00:04:11,089 --> 00:04:07,459 old man who's flying a plane he has um 81 00:04:13,070 --> 00:04:11,099 an ambition to become a commercial pilot 82 00:04:15,410 --> 00:04:13,080 and when you when you're flying he had a 83 00:04:17,090 --> 00:04:15,420 he had a pilot license already 84 00:04:19,789 --> 00:04:17,100 um that's a picture of him there you 85 00:04:21,890 --> 00:04:19,799 know that's a moorabbin airport that's 86 00:04:23,510 --> 00:04:21,900 not the actual plane he disappeared in 87 00:04:24,590 --> 00:04:23,520 but that's 88 00:04:26,689 --> 00:04:24,600 um 89 00:04:29,330 --> 00:04:26,699 typical of the plane that he flew it's 90 00:04:31,909 --> 00:04:29,340 at Cessna Aircraft and he was flying 91 00:04:35,330 --> 00:04:31,919 down to a place called King Island 92 00:04:36,650 --> 00:04:35,340 uh it's about a 90-minute flight uh from 93 00:04:38,689 --> 00:04:36,660 where he's took off from moorabbin 94 00:04:39,770 --> 00:04:38,699 airport about 90 minutes to get down to 95 00:04:41,990 --> 00:04:39,780 King Island 96 00:04:43,730 --> 00:04:42,000 and a lot of people make the mistake of 97 00:04:47,210 --> 00:04:43,740 saying oh it was his first night flight 98 00:04:49,249 --> 00:04:47,220 and his first night flight over water 99 00:04:51,530 --> 00:04:49,259 um had he reached his destination yes it 100 00:04:53,450 --> 00:04:51,540 would have been his first night flight 101 00:04:56,030 --> 00:04:53,460 coming back but it was still daylight 102 00:04:57,469 --> 00:04:56,040 when he was going down I thought what 103 00:05:03,409 --> 00:04:57,479 time 104 00:05:06,110 --> 00:05:03,419 airport and leave for King Island it was 105 00:05:09,170 --> 00:05:06,120 about 10 past or a quarter past six in 106 00:05:11,390 --> 00:05:09,180 the evening and in in Australia in in 107 00:05:14,030 --> 00:05:11,400 our area then in October oh it was 108 00:05:16,010 --> 00:05:14,040 October the 21st uh we get a really long 109 00:05:17,689 --> 00:05:16,020 Twilight period because we're quite a 110 00:05:18,890 --> 00:05:17,699 way down south we're about 32 degrees 111 00:05:21,110 --> 00:05:18,900 south 112 00:05:22,610 --> 00:05:21,120 so we get a long Twilight period it 113 00:05:25,249 --> 00:05:22,620 doesn't if we lived in Sydney or 114 00:05:26,810 --> 00:05:25,259 somewhere like that uh one minute it's 115 00:05:29,210 --> 00:05:26,820 daytime all of a sudden bang it's night 116 00:05:31,010 --> 00:05:29,220 time but that's not how it is here in 117 00:05:32,150 --> 00:05:31,020 Melbourne because we're down much closer 118 00:05:35,090 --> 00:05:32,160 to the South 119 00:05:36,529 --> 00:05:35,100 pole with 32 degrees down so 120 00:05:38,090 --> 00:05:36,539 um 121 00:05:40,969 --> 00:05:38,100 he would have had a night flight coming 122 00:05:43,070 --> 00:05:40,979 back yes he had a a limited instrument 123 00:05:46,010 --> 00:05:43,080 rating but he did have a class four 124 00:05:47,390 --> 00:05:46,020 instrument rating so he was fine to fly 125 00:05:50,570 --> 00:05:47,400 over there 126 00:05:52,249 --> 00:05:50,580 um Aviation friends of mine that um I've 127 00:05:54,409 --> 00:05:52,259 flown down there with them in that area 128 00:05:56,990 --> 00:05:54,419 have told me that 129 00:05:58,570 --> 00:05:57,000 um if you're a young and reasonably 130 00:06:01,850 --> 00:05:58,580 inexperienced pilot you probably 131 00:06:02,950 --> 00:06:01,860 wouldn't deliberately fly over the the 132 00:06:07,610 --> 00:06:02,960 ocean 133 00:06:08,689 --> 00:06:07,620 in a single engine aircraft alone at 134 00:06:11,510 --> 00:06:08,699 night time 135 00:06:13,850 --> 00:06:11,520 you'd probably get a twin engine 136 00:06:17,330 --> 00:06:13,860 aircraft instead and take somebody with 137 00:06:19,249 --> 00:06:17,340 you but he did neither of those things 138 00:06:22,070 --> 00:06:19,259 um but but anyway he was just a young 139 00:06:23,450 --> 00:06:22,080 guy he was uh 20 years old and he wanted 140 00:06:26,749 --> 00:06:23,460 to get his air 141 00:06:28,309 --> 00:06:26,759 experiences his flight hours up 142 00:06:29,809 --> 00:06:28,319 because he wanted to become a commercial 143 00:06:32,930 --> 00:06:29,819 pilot 144 00:06:36,050 --> 00:06:32,940 so that was his aim he had been in the 145 00:06:38,090 --> 00:06:36,060 um the Australian Air Force Air Cadets 146 00:06:40,309 --> 00:06:38,100 as a younger bloke 147 00:06:43,189 --> 00:06:40,319 um and he did very well he learned to 148 00:06:45,890 --> 00:06:43,199 fly from the Royal Australian Air Force 149 00:06:47,570 --> 00:06:45,900 uh in in a base down in a place called 150 00:06:50,450 --> 00:06:47,580 sale in Victoria 151 00:06:53,570 --> 00:06:50,460 and um the flight instructors down there 152 00:06:55,909 --> 00:06:53,580 were pretty enthused with his enthusiasm 153 00:06:56,930 --> 00:06:55,919 uh and his flying ability and they 154 00:06:58,550 --> 00:06:56,940 thought he'd make a good flight 155 00:07:01,490 --> 00:06:58,560 instructor 156 00:07:03,529 --> 00:07:01,500 but when it became to reality um 157 00:07:07,730 --> 00:07:03,539 passing the examination to get into the 158 00:07:09,469 --> 00:07:07,740 air force uh they only take the top 159 00:07:10,909 --> 00:07:09,479 students they you've got to get top 160 00:07:13,430 --> 00:07:10,919 marks or you don't get into the Air 161 00:07:15,770 --> 00:07:13,440 Force and he found it it was a struggle 162 00:07:17,150 --> 00:07:15,780 he didn't get into the air force so he 163 00:07:20,270 --> 00:07:17,160 decided Well I'll become a commercial 164 00:07:21,650 --> 00:07:20,280 pilot so he started taking steps to 165 00:07:23,270 --> 00:07:21,660 become a commercial pilot and that's 166 00:07:24,770 --> 00:07:23,280 what he was doing the night he went past 167 00:07:27,409 --> 00:07:24,780 now 168 00:07:29,870 --> 00:07:27,419 I was waiting for a visitor to come to 169 00:07:31,610 --> 00:07:29,880 to my house and they were running late 170 00:07:32,629 --> 00:07:31,620 and I went outside at about quarter past 171 00:07:34,670 --> 00:07:32,639 six 172 00:07:37,610 --> 00:07:34,680 uh and I saw this blue and white setting 173 00:07:41,330 --> 00:07:37,620 a fly across the sky watched go past 174 00:07:43,969 --> 00:07:41,340 and look I'm not a I'm not a psychic 175 00:07:46,610 --> 00:07:43,979 person but a thought popped into my mind 176 00:07:48,830 --> 00:07:46,620 as soon as I saw the plane and I can't 177 00:07:50,990 --> 00:07:48,840 explain why but it was almost 178 00:07:52,850 --> 00:07:51,000 it was almost like hearing a message you 179 00:07:54,830 --> 00:07:52,860 know I got this thought in my mind 180 00:07:58,370 --> 00:07:54,840 straight away keep your eye on that 181 00:08:00,050 --> 00:07:58,380 plane keep watching that plane huh and I 182 00:08:02,270 --> 00:08:00,060 mean where we live it wasn't too far 183 00:08:03,770 --> 00:08:02,280 from where I have an airport and we'd 184 00:08:05,270 --> 00:08:03,780 see lots of airplanes and helicopters 185 00:08:07,969 --> 00:08:05,280 flying around all the time and most 186 00:08:10,249 --> 00:08:07,979 people just ignore them well so why did 187 00:08:12,529 --> 00:08:10,259 this idea pop into my mind anyway the 188 00:08:14,390 --> 00:08:12,539 next day there was a news report that a 189 00:08:15,890 --> 00:08:14,400 plan had gone missing 190 00:08:19,249 --> 00:08:15,900 and uh 191 00:08:21,290 --> 00:08:19,259 that uh he'd probably run out of fuel 192 00:08:23,330 --> 00:08:21,300 and they were searching for him in Bass 193 00:08:25,670 --> 00:08:23,340 Strait which is the ocean 194 00:08:28,550 --> 00:08:25,680 that goes between the mainland of 195 00:08:30,409 --> 00:08:28,560 Australia and Tasmania 196 00:08:31,850 --> 00:08:30,419 um and that's where he was going because 197 00:08:32,810 --> 00:08:31,860 King Island is in the middle of that 198 00:08:36,949 --> 00:08:32,820 ocean 199 00:08:40,670 --> 00:08:39,050 um the news reports said that he'd 200 00:08:42,409 --> 00:08:40,680 probably run out of fuel but we know he 201 00:08:43,850 --> 00:08:42,419 actually totally refueled the plane 202 00:08:46,610 --> 00:08:43,860 before he took off 203 00:08:49,790 --> 00:08:46,620 uh also the plane had been serviced that 204 00:08:51,410 --> 00:08:49,800 morning the mechanic Mike Hodges who I 205 00:08:52,670 --> 00:08:51,420 know personally he lives very close to 206 00:08:55,490 --> 00:08:52,680 me here 207 00:08:58,070 --> 00:08:55,500 um he serviced the play uh and and the 208 00:09:00,949 --> 00:08:58,080 funny anecdote that he tells me is that 209 00:09:03,949 --> 00:09:00,959 he'd serviced the plane that day and he 210 00:09:06,590 --> 00:09:03,959 basically handed the keys over to Fred 211 00:09:09,769 --> 00:09:06,600 and Fred was about to take off and it 212 00:09:11,870 --> 00:09:09,779 was being refueled now Fred was a very 213 00:09:13,009 --> 00:09:11,880 very uh intelligent person a very 214 00:09:15,710 --> 00:09:13,019 sensible 215 00:09:18,370 --> 00:09:15,720 um one of the Air Force Cadet guys said 216 00:09:21,949 --> 00:09:18,380 he was Common Sense on two legs 217 00:09:23,930 --> 00:09:21,959 and the thing he wanted to do was uh 218 00:09:26,630 --> 00:09:23,940 check everything in the plan it's just 219 00:09:28,250 --> 00:09:26,640 been serviced but he's still good had to 220 00:09:31,550 --> 00:09:28,260 go through the checklist yeah because 221 00:09:34,070 --> 00:09:31,560 that's what you do that's right I took 222 00:09:35,570 --> 00:09:34,080 some lessons and I remember you had to 223 00:09:38,750 --> 00:09:35,580 you had to look the whole thing over 224 00:09:40,970 --> 00:09:38,760 check the oil you name it and uh all the 225 00:09:43,430 --> 00:09:40,980 the flaps and you know you go all around 226 00:09:46,490 --> 00:09:43,440 the plane and I was flying a Cessna as 227 00:09:49,190 --> 00:09:46,500 well so yeah yeah and well you know your 228 00:09:50,990 --> 00:09:49,200 life depends on it right so yeah he was 229 00:09:52,370 --> 00:09:51,000 going to go in the plan he got in the 230 00:09:54,410 --> 00:09:52,380 plane and he took off and he went down 231 00:09:56,690 --> 00:09:54,420 there now uh 232 00:09:58,310 --> 00:09:56,700 he was going down what they do is they 233 00:09:59,690 --> 00:09:58,320 follow the coastline that you might have 234 00:10:02,030 --> 00:09:59,700 heard of The Great Ocean Road anyway 235 00:10:04,250 --> 00:10:02,040 there's a lot of surf beaches along that 236 00:10:06,470 --> 00:10:04,260 Coast the West Coast he went right down 237 00:10:07,310 --> 00:10:06,480 to a place called Cape Otway and at that 238 00:10:08,990 --> 00:10:07,320 point 239 00:10:10,790 --> 00:10:09,000 you're just about level with King Island 240 00:10:13,610 --> 00:10:10,800 so you turn left 241 00:10:15,650 --> 00:10:13,620 and then you do it going due south 242 00:10:18,769 --> 00:10:15,660 and so 243 00:10:21,230 --> 00:10:18,779 um six minutes when he got to K-pop 244 00:10:23,410 --> 00:10:21,240 where he reported I'm now capable outway 245 00:10:27,350 --> 00:10:23,420 and proceeding to King Island 246 00:10:30,350 --> 00:10:27,360 just before he got there the air traffic 247 00:10:32,870 --> 00:10:30,360 advisor Steve Robbie contacted him and 248 00:10:36,110 --> 00:10:32,880 said um we need to adjust your search 249 00:10:37,910 --> 00:10:36,120 and rescue time because you know you you 250 00:10:40,870 --> 00:10:37,920 don't have time to get there in time 251 00:10:43,850 --> 00:10:40,880 they have this system a safety system 252 00:10:45,949 --> 00:10:43,860 search and rescue if you're flying 253 00:10:48,290 --> 00:10:45,959 somewhere and you make a flight plan 254 00:10:50,990 --> 00:10:48,300 if you don't reach a certain point by a 255 00:10:52,790 --> 00:10:51,000 certain time and call in and they they 256 00:10:55,009 --> 00:10:52,800 can't contact you then they they put out 257 00:10:56,630 --> 00:10:55,019 a search for you now he had to adjust 258 00:10:58,069 --> 00:10:56,640 that time because he left a bit later 259 00:10:59,930 --> 00:10:58,079 than he meant to 260 00:11:01,730 --> 00:10:59,940 so on his original Flight Plan he was 261 00:11:03,850 --> 00:11:01,740 going to leave at a certain time he was 262 00:11:08,329 --> 00:11:03,860 running late so they needed to adjust 263 00:11:11,030 --> 00:11:08,339 the the safety barrier time time wise I 264 00:11:12,650 --> 00:11:11,040 see anyway they just organized that just 265 00:11:15,350 --> 00:11:12,660 before he got to Cape hallway and then 266 00:11:18,110 --> 00:11:15,360 he turned left to go down to King Island 267 00:11:20,090 --> 00:11:18,120 so he was a very very cautious and very 268 00:11:22,790 --> 00:11:20,100 careful pilot and it was a young young 269 00:11:25,130 --> 00:11:22,800 man who was very alert 270 00:11:28,009 --> 00:11:25,140 um six minutes into that flight across 271 00:11:29,930 --> 00:11:28,019 best Strait he all these other people 272 00:11:34,610 --> 00:11:29,940 were in communication with their traffic 273 00:11:36,829 --> 00:11:34,620 and control but about six minutes down 274 00:11:39,590 --> 00:11:36,839 towards King Island he said 275 00:11:44,389 --> 00:11:39,600 uh he called in and he said um Melbourne 276 00:11:46,850 --> 00:11:44,399 is there any known traffic below 5000 277 00:11:47,930 --> 00:11:46,860 and he got the reply back uh no known 278 00:11:50,030 --> 00:11:47,940 traffic 279 00:11:52,970 --> 00:11:50,040 and he said well I have 280 00:11:54,650 --> 00:11:52,980 seems to be a large aircraft below five 281 00:11:56,630 --> 00:11:54,660 thousand 282 00:11:58,069 --> 00:11:56,640 so he's seeing this thing flying around 283 00:12:02,030 --> 00:11:58,079 him 284 00:12:04,970 --> 00:12:02,040 um and uh they said well uh uh what type 285 00:12:10,069 --> 00:12:06,949 um what type of aircraft and he says um 286 00:12:12,350 --> 00:12:10,079 I cannot affirm it seems like to me like 287 00:12:14,990 --> 00:12:12,360 Landing lights 288 00:12:16,370 --> 00:12:15,000 now It's Not Dark Yet and some people 289 00:12:19,250 --> 00:12:16,380 have said 290 00:12:20,810 --> 00:12:19,260 uh all the planets were visible in the 291 00:12:22,130 --> 00:12:20,820 West too 292 00:12:23,810 --> 00:12:22,140 the trouble is we're one of those 293 00:12:26,509 --> 00:12:23,820 planets you need to telescope to see it 294 00:12:28,430 --> 00:12:26,519 and the other two don't move around they 295 00:12:30,230 --> 00:12:28,440 stay right where they are like the stars 296 00:12:31,550 --> 00:12:30,240 they just sit there so they're not going 297 00:12:33,710 --> 00:12:31,560 to look like they're flying up to him 298 00:12:35,750 --> 00:12:33,720 and flying away from him 299 00:12:37,670 --> 00:12:35,760 uh he said um 300 00:12:39,350 --> 00:12:37,680 the aircraft is this aircraft has just 301 00:12:41,030 --> 00:12:39,360 passed over me at least a thousand feet 302 00:12:43,550 --> 00:12:41,040 above 303 00:12:47,210 --> 00:12:43,560 and said oh Roger is it a large aircraft 304 00:12:48,949 --> 00:12:47,220 confirmed he says um unknown due to the 305 00:12:51,730 --> 00:12:48,959 speed it's traveling 306 00:12:54,889 --> 00:12:51,740 is there any Air Force 307 00:12:56,930 --> 00:12:54,899 aircraft in the vicinity this thing's 308 00:12:58,910 --> 00:12:56,940 going very very fast so he's thinking it 309 00:13:01,190 --> 00:12:58,920 could be some kind of a jet some sort of 310 00:13:03,949 --> 00:13:01,200 an aircraft 311 00:13:06,470 --> 00:13:03,959 um and he still gets to reply um his 312 00:13:08,509 --> 00:13:06,480 aircraft is Delta Sierra Juliet dsj 313 00:13:11,150 --> 00:13:08,519 let's say Delta sea of Juliet No known 314 00:13:13,550 --> 00:13:11,160 aircraft in your vicinity 315 00:13:15,410 --> 00:13:13,560 and then a minute or two later he says 316 00:13:18,110 --> 00:13:15,420 Melbourne is approaching now from due 317 00:13:19,910 --> 00:13:18,120 east towards me and so they acknowledge 318 00:13:22,310 --> 00:13:19,920 that 319 00:13:25,790 --> 00:13:22,320 then he holds he holds his microphone 320 00:13:28,009 --> 00:13:25,800 open for a few seconds and there's this 321 00:13:31,009 --> 00:13:28,019 kind of a staticky sound 322 00:13:33,170 --> 00:13:31,019 I I liken it to if I had an industrial 323 00:13:34,550 --> 00:13:33,180 sewing machine on this table here 324 00:13:39,050 --> 00:13:34,560 running 325 00:13:41,870 --> 00:13:39,060 fast and we were on the phone you'd hear 326 00:13:44,449 --> 00:13:41,880 this noise coming from it that's what it 327 00:13:46,970 --> 00:13:44,459 sounded like I have the uh why don't I 328 00:13:50,350 --> 00:13:46,980 play that I have that clip oh well 329 00:13:52,490 --> 00:13:50,360 that's that's later on oh I'm sorry yeah 330 00:13:54,530 --> 00:13:52,500 right this is just like a general 331 00:13:56,150 --> 00:13:54,540 background static noise that's coming 332 00:13:58,550 --> 00:13:56,160 through now there's other guys in the 333 00:14:01,730 --> 00:13:58,560 air at the time and their radio signals 334 00:14:04,430 --> 00:14:01,740 are coming in clear sound and clear as a 335 00:14:07,310 --> 00:14:04,440 bell but every time Fred's on the on his 336 00:14:09,410 --> 00:14:07,320 microphone there's a a 337 00:14:11,750 --> 00:14:09,420 Clickety sort of sound static 338 00:14:12,769 --> 00:14:11,760 interference coming through whenever he 339 00:14:14,050 --> 00:14:12,779 speaks 340 00:14:17,269 --> 00:14:14,060 uh 341 00:14:19,129 --> 00:14:17,279 this is approaching now from due east 342 00:14:22,129 --> 00:14:19,139 towards me so that gets acknowledged 343 00:14:24,410 --> 00:14:22,139 this is um then he says this this is 344 00:14:27,410 --> 00:14:24,420 very interesting he says it seems to be 345 00:14:31,550 --> 00:14:27,420 playing some sort of game he's flying 346 00:14:33,949 --> 00:14:31,560 over me two three times at a time at 347 00:14:36,710 --> 00:14:33,959 speeds I cannot identify 348 00:14:39,590 --> 00:14:36,720 now how do you unpack that what does 349 00:14:44,509 --> 00:14:39,600 that mean what what's capable of flying 350 00:14:46,370 --> 00:14:44,519 over you at two three times at a time 351 00:14:48,769 --> 00:14:46,380 and it's playing some sort of game with 352 00:14:50,150 --> 00:14:48,779 him that's that's a little bit kind of 353 00:14:51,710 --> 00:14:50,160 that that sort of gets you a little bit 354 00:14:53,030 --> 00:14:51,720 worried doesn't it 355 00:14:56,210 --> 00:14:53,040 um 356 00:14:58,370 --> 00:14:56,220 and then yeah and then like orbits above 357 00:15:00,590 --> 00:14:58,380 him later on right yeah that comes up 358 00:15:01,730 --> 00:15:00,600 Steve says when Mom what's your actual 359 00:15:06,350 --> 00:15:01,740 level 360 00:15:08,629 --> 00:15:06,360 half thousand four five zero zero 361 00:15:10,670 --> 00:15:08,639 and he says Danette could you confirm 362 00:15:13,490 --> 00:15:10,680 that you cannot identify the aircraft he 363 00:15:16,430 --> 00:15:13,500 says affirmative straight away and they 364 00:15:18,769 --> 00:15:16,440 say okay stand by 365 00:15:21,829 --> 00:15:18,779 so what do you do you've got an aircraft 366 00:15:22,790 --> 00:15:21,839 that's it's making an unusual noise on 367 00:15:25,550 --> 00:15:22,800 the radio 368 00:15:27,230 --> 00:15:25,560 and uh you can't identify what it is 369 00:15:29,569 --> 00:15:27,240 anyway 370 00:15:31,730 --> 00:15:29,579 Fred comes on the radio and he says uh 371 00:15:34,310 --> 00:15:31,740 Delta Co Juliet so he's identifying 372 00:15:36,050 --> 00:15:34,320 himself and he says it's not an aircraft 373 00:15:37,790 --> 00:15:36,060 it's 374 00:15:40,129 --> 00:15:37,800 and then you hit 375 00:15:43,069 --> 00:15:40,139 noise which is just the static coming 376 00:15:44,389 --> 00:15:43,079 over the radio but which nobody else has 377 00:15:46,250 --> 00:15:44,399 got 378 00:15:48,530 --> 00:15:46,260 um so he's he's trying to describe it 379 00:15:50,810 --> 00:15:48,540 but he he's lost for words he can't 380 00:15:53,170 --> 00:15:50,820 can't even say what it is 381 00:15:55,970 --> 00:15:53,180 uh so then they say um 382 00:15:57,710 --> 00:15:55,980 Melbourne can you describe this uh 383 00:16:00,110 --> 00:15:57,720 aircraft 384 00:16:02,210 --> 00:16:00,120 and he says this is as it's flying past 385 00:16:04,430 --> 00:16:02,220 it's a long shape 386 00:16:06,170 --> 00:16:04,440 and then it goes Clickety clue to click 387 00:16:08,689 --> 00:16:06,180 again for a few seconds he says I cannot 388 00:16:10,670 --> 00:16:08,699 identify more than that it gets such 389 00:16:11,990 --> 00:16:10,680 speed and there's a bit more 390 00:16:15,230 --> 00:16:12,000 interference on the radio and he says 391 00:16:18,230 --> 00:16:15,240 it's before me right now Melbourne 392 00:16:20,150 --> 00:16:18,240 and uh Melbourne replies with uh Roger 393 00:16:21,230 --> 00:16:20,160 and how laughed would this uh aircraft 394 00:16:24,650 --> 00:16:21,240 be 395 00:16:26,090 --> 00:16:24,660 and he says um it seems that it's 396 00:16:28,250 --> 00:16:26,100 chasing me 397 00:16:29,870 --> 00:16:28,260 what I'm doing right now is orbiting and 398 00:16:32,269 --> 00:16:29,880 the thing is just orbiting on top of me 399 00:16:34,009 --> 00:16:32,279 also it's got a green light and sort of 400 00:16:35,329 --> 00:16:34,019 metallic like it's all shiny on the 401 00:16:37,129 --> 00:16:35,339 outside 402 00:16:39,769 --> 00:16:37,139 that's the point that Dr Haynes 403 00:16:42,650 --> 00:16:39,779 mentioned in his lecture 404 00:16:44,930 --> 00:16:42,660 that on when he heard the type he said 405 00:16:46,970 --> 00:16:44,940 it sounded like to him Fred was saying 406 00:16:48,769 --> 00:16:46,980 it seems like he's chasing me in the 407 00:16:50,930 --> 00:16:48,779 official transcript it says it seems 408 00:16:53,509 --> 00:16:50,940 like it's stationary 409 00:16:55,310 --> 00:16:53,519 what I'm doing is orbiting but no Fred 410 00:16:56,810 --> 00:16:55,320 said it seems like it's chasing me so he 411 00:16:59,990 --> 00:16:56,820 just said earlier it's playing some sort 412 00:17:02,090 --> 00:17:00,000 of game now says it's chasing him 413 00:17:03,590 --> 00:17:02,100 so that's a little bit scary then he 414 00:17:06,710 --> 00:17:03,600 says oh 415 00:17:09,710 --> 00:17:06,720 um don't say Julia it's just vanished 416 00:17:11,210 --> 00:17:09,720 so then he gets the reply um I know he 417 00:17:13,189 --> 00:17:11,220 asks would you know what kind of 418 00:17:17,090 --> 00:17:13,199 aircraft I've got 419 00:17:18,829 --> 00:17:17,100 is there a certain military aircraft 420 00:17:21,230 --> 00:17:18,839 and they say uh jealousy Juliet 421 00:17:23,329 --> 00:17:21,240 confirmed the aircraft has just vanished 422 00:17:25,789 --> 00:17:23,339 he said say again so he hasn't heard 423 00:17:26,929 --> 00:17:25,799 that one I said is the aircraft still 424 00:17:29,810 --> 00:17:26,939 with you 425 00:17:31,850 --> 00:17:29,820 and he says it's a nor 426 00:17:35,029 --> 00:17:31,860 South approaching from the south west 427 00:17:36,590 --> 00:17:35,039 see he's lost his his Compass Direction 428 00:17:38,630 --> 00:17:36,600 at the moment because he's been going 429 00:17:40,370 --> 00:17:38,640 around in this big circle so he could 430 00:17:41,930 --> 00:17:40,380 watch the object rather than he's 431 00:17:42,890 --> 00:17:41,940 forgotten about going to King Island at 432 00:17:45,289 --> 00:17:42,900 this point 433 00:17:46,669 --> 00:17:45,299 he's going around trying to watch what 434 00:17:48,230 --> 00:17:46,679 this thing is and it's vanished it's 435 00:17:50,270 --> 00:17:48,240 gone above him at a thousand feet above 436 00:17:52,430 --> 00:17:50,280 it's disappeared it's come back he 437 00:17:54,650 --> 00:17:52,440 doesn't know what it is he's thinking it 438 00:17:56,169 --> 00:17:54,660 must be military because nothing else 439 00:17:59,810 --> 00:17:56,179 can go that fast 440 00:18:03,830 --> 00:17:59,820 he's getting a bit rattled by now too 441 00:18:05,450 --> 00:18:03,840 um uh he says it's nor approaching from 442 00:18:08,049 --> 00:18:05,460 the south west 443 00:18:11,570 --> 00:18:08,059 and then he says 444 00:18:14,150 --> 00:18:11,580 Juliet the engineers rough idling I've 445 00:18:16,250 --> 00:18:14,160 got it set at 23 24 and the thing is 446 00:18:19,010 --> 00:18:16,260 coughing 447 00:18:21,830 --> 00:18:19,020 now he's reporting engine trouble he's 448 00:18:23,210 --> 00:18:21,840 saying that his engine is is uh playing 449 00:18:26,750 --> 00:18:23,220 up a little bit 450 00:18:28,210 --> 00:18:26,760 it's running a 23 24 23 inches of 451 00:18:32,870 --> 00:18:28,220 manifold pressure 452 00:18:35,750 --> 00:18:32,880 2400 RPM that's the normal Cruise speed 453 00:18:37,130 --> 00:18:35,760 of your engine when you're cruising and 454 00:18:39,230 --> 00:18:37,140 it's running at normalcy but it's 455 00:18:43,070 --> 00:18:39,240 coughing he says the thing is coughing 456 00:18:44,690 --> 00:18:43,080 so that's got him a bit worried 457 00:18:46,909 --> 00:18:44,700 um and so 458 00:18:49,310 --> 00:18:46,919 the air traffic advisor says to him well 459 00:18:51,110 --> 00:18:49,320 what are your intentions because he's 460 00:18:53,270 --> 00:18:51,120 now reporting he's halfway across the 461 00:18:55,730 --> 00:18:53,280 ocean and he's got in control so what 462 00:18:56,570 --> 00:18:55,740 would be your best 463 00:18:58,850 --> 00:18:56,580 um 464 00:19:00,650 --> 00:18:58,860 type of action to take from now should 465 00:19:02,210 --> 00:19:00,660 you head back to the mainland are you 466 00:19:04,789 --> 00:19:02,220 closer to the mainland or are you closer 467 00:19:07,610 --> 00:19:04,799 to King Island what are you going to do 468 00:19:10,190 --> 00:19:07,620 and he's misunderstood the intention of 469 00:19:12,230 --> 00:19:10,200 the question is to say oh look on my 470 00:19:14,330 --> 00:19:12,240 intentions are to go to King Island 471 00:19:16,730 --> 00:19:14,340 because everybody knows that he's 472 00:19:17,810 --> 00:19:16,740 halfway there by now 473 00:19:22,909 --> 00:19:17,820 um 474 00:19:25,310 --> 00:19:22,919 that strange aircraft is hovering on top 475 00:19:27,830 --> 00:19:25,320 of me again it is hovering and it's not 476 00:19:29,870 --> 00:19:27,840 an aircraft hmm 477 00:19:31,730 --> 00:19:29,880 uh and so that gets acknowledged Steve 478 00:19:33,070 --> 00:19:31,740 says okay Delicia Juliet and then he 479 00:19:36,710 --> 00:19:33,080 says 480 00:19:39,110 --> 00:19:36,720 Sierra Juliet Melbourne 481 00:19:40,850 --> 00:19:39,120 and then he's cut off mid-sentence and 482 00:19:44,390 --> 00:19:40,860 now you play that audio 483 00:19:44,400 --> 00:20:01,490 foreign 484 00:20:06,049 --> 00:20:03,770 that that was all that was heard and so 485 00:20:08,690 --> 00:20:06,059 then Steve tried to contact him again 486 00:20:10,430 --> 00:20:08,700 and called him deltacio Juliet got no 487 00:20:15,350 --> 00:20:10,440 reply he tried again a few more times 488 00:20:17,690 --> 00:20:15,360 Juliet no reply uh no wreckage was ever 489 00:20:19,669 --> 00:20:17,700 found of the aircraft 490 00:20:21,830 --> 00:20:19,679 um nothing was found no body no aircraft 491 00:20:24,049 --> 00:20:21,840 nothing so the family have 492 00:20:27,289 --> 00:20:24,059 like there's no closure for them it's 493 00:20:29,930 --> 00:20:27,299 now 44 years uh interestingly um the 494 00:20:33,590 --> 00:20:29,940 Pilot's grandmother is still alive she's 495 00:20:34,669 --> 00:20:33,600 in her 90s I met her his mother's still 496 00:20:35,330 --> 00:20:34,679 alive 497 00:20:37,669 --> 00:20:35,340 um 498 00:20:40,310 --> 00:20:37,679 and the poor family they've got no no 499 00:20:43,789 --> 00:20:40,320 closure and then there's been um 500 00:20:46,430 --> 00:20:43,799 a whole barrage of of accusations that 501 00:20:50,289 --> 00:20:46,440 have come from a lot of the Skeptics 502 00:20:53,630 --> 00:20:50,299 that that love to attack UFO Witnesses 503 00:20:54,650 --> 00:20:53,640 and and and uh and blame them for the 504 00:20:58,010 --> 00:20:54,660 things that happened to them well 505 00:20:59,930 --> 00:20:58,020 they've they actually tried to accuse 506 00:21:02,630 --> 00:20:59,940 um Fred and his father for plotting to 507 00:21:06,470 --> 00:21:02,640 steal an airplane ah and so I haven't 508 00:21:09,529 --> 00:21:06,480 heard that one yep that there was a 509 00:21:12,049 --> 00:21:09,539 major U.S skeptic that said that 510 00:21:14,029 --> 00:21:12,059 um for fear of uh litigation I won't 511 00:21:16,669 --> 00:21:14,039 mention his name but it's very well 512 00:21:18,529 --> 00:21:16,679 known back then in in the 70s when this 513 00:21:21,470 --> 00:21:18,539 happened but look Fred 514 00:21:22,850 --> 00:21:21,480 um his family have been through terrible 515 00:21:25,789 --> 00:21:22,860 um times with this and they've got no 516 00:21:27,230 --> 00:21:25,799 closure and uh the things on my mind a 517 00:21:29,210 --> 00:21:27,240 lot you know I think about this case a 518 00:21:32,149 --> 00:21:29,220 heck of a lot 519 00:21:33,890 --> 00:21:32,159 um and that's basically everything that 520 00:21:34,610 --> 00:21:33,900 happened to him 521 00:21:36,830 --> 00:21:34,620 um 522 00:21:38,510 --> 00:21:36,840 and then how did they search right away 523 00:21:41,330 --> 00:21:38,520 did they go out and search right away 524 00:21:43,430 --> 00:21:41,340 well yes they did they they started um 525 00:21:46,250 --> 00:21:43,440 because he didn't reach his destination 526 00:21:48,770 --> 00:21:46,260 that search and rescue time 527 00:21:51,950 --> 00:21:48,780 um automatically means that there'll be 528 00:21:54,590 --> 00:21:51,960 a search a search began 529 00:21:56,930 --> 00:21:54,600 um and of course the night fell so they 530 00:21:58,970 --> 00:21:56,940 had to start the search the next morning 531 00:22:01,190 --> 00:21:58,980 now there was the gentleman who took the 532 00:22:05,270 --> 00:22:01,200 cover photo of the book this this 533 00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:05,280 unusual yeah that's a sunset photo that 534 00:22:10,490 --> 00:22:07,200 object that you can see there in the 535 00:22:13,610 --> 00:22:10,500 photo was in the actual area where the 536 00:22:16,070 --> 00:22:13,620 plane flew just a few minutes 537 00:22:18,289 --> 00:22:16,080 after this photo was taken 538 00:22:19,250 --> 00:22:18,299 or about 20 minutes after this photo was 539 00:22:21,649 --> 00:22:19,260 taken 540 00:22:23,630 --> 00:22:21,659 Fred flew right into this area and then 541 00:22:25,070 --> 00:22:23,640 reported this strange object flying 542 00:22:26,810 --> 00:22:25,080 around him and he couldn't describe it 543 00:22:28,610 --> 00:22:26,820 look at this object it's hard to 544 00:22:30,770 --> 00:22:28,620 describe what that is if you saw that 545 00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:30,780 flying around you and look at this all 546 00:22:35,990 --> 00:22:32,880 the blue sparkly bits on the left hand 547 00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:36,000 side of it that's not the sky that's not 548 00:22:40,190 --> 00:22:38,159 in the photo before or after the 549 00:22:42,289 --> 00:22:40,200 photographer took a series of six 550 00:22:44,090 --> 00:22:42,299 photographs of the Setting Sun 551 00:22:46,250 --> 00:22:44,100 and he didn't see this because he was 552 00:22:49,190 --> 00:22:46,260 looking at his watch timing off 30 553 00:22:51,770 --> 00:22:49,200 second intervals he wasn't looking at at 554 00:22:54,649 --> 00:22:51,780 the subject he had a motor driver on his 555 00:22:57,409 --> 00:22:54,659 camera and it was set on Infinity 556 00:22:59,750 --> 00:22:57,419 and that object was sent to uh Bill Bill 557 00:23:00,830 --> 00:22:59,760 uh Spalding of ground saucer watch in 558 00:23:02,870 --> 00:23:00,840 Arizona 559 00:23:04,430 --> 00:23:02,880 and he said well this it's a solid 560 00:23:05,870 --> 00:23:04,440 object that's all he could say that it 561 00:23:07,730 --> 00:23:05,880 was definitely a solid object there was 562 00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:07,740 wasn't something hanging on a piece of 563 00:23:11,450 --> 00:23:09,360 string that's the full photograph you've 564 00:23:14,090 --> 00:23:11,460 got there yeah yeah 565 00:23:16,730 --> 00:23:14,100 um so is there has there been a question 566 00:23:20,210 --> 00:23:16,740 whether it's some type of 567 00:23:21,950 --> 00:23:20,220 um negative anomaly or camera anomaly 568 00:23:25,610 --> 00:23:21,960 glance anomaly because it's aiming into 569 00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:25,620 the sun anything right right yeah no 570 00:23:29,930 --> 00:23:28,320 um the the gentleman who took the 571 00:23:32,029 --> 00:23:29,940 photograph I know him personally his 572 00:23:34,010 --> 00:23:32,039 name's uh Roy manifolds 573 00:23:36,110 --> 00:23:34,020 he took the photo he thought that the 574 00:23:38,450 --> 00:23:36,120 people that developed his film they were 575 00:23:40,909 --> 00:23:38,460 just holiday snaps when he was on 576 00:23:43,549 --> 00:23:40,919 holiday down there in capeway with his 577 00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:43,559 family and he thought that the 578 00:23:47,930 --> 00:23:46,080 development people had destroyed his 579 00:23:49,730 --> 00:23:47,940 negative somehow when they developed it 580 00:23:51,110 --> 00:23:49,740 and he took it back to them to complain 581 00:23:53,210 --> 00:23:51,120 and said no no that's on your image 582 00:23:55,130 --> 00:23:53,220 there's nothing unusual there but he 583 00:23:56,210 --> 00:23:55,140 didn't really believe them so he went to 584 00:24:02,810 --> 00:23:56,220 Kodak 585 00:24:05,270 --> 00:24:02,820 in Coburg here in Melbourne 586 00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:05,280 um I was the Australian headquarters for 587 00:24:08,690 --> 00:24:07,440 Kodak he went there and he took them to 588 00:24:10,909 --> 00:24:08,700 the negative and they looked at it under 589 00:24:12,649 --> 00:24:10,919 a microscope they said there's nothing 590 00:24:14,810 --> 00:24:12,659 wrong with our the Emulsion or anything 591 00:24:16,730 --> 00:24:14,820 you've captured some object here we 592 00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:16,740 don't know what it is and then they said 593 00:24:20,990 --> 00:24:18,240 look could you leave the negative with 594 00:24:24,110 --> 00:24:21,000 us so we can examine it a bit further 595 00:24:26,270 --> 00:24:24,120 yeah uh no thanks no I'll take it home 596 00:24:28,070 --> 00:24:26,280 thank you he didn't leave it but he 597 00:24:29,409 --> 00:24:28,080 didn't trust him he didn't leave it with 598 00:24:32,570 --> 00:24:29,419 them probably 599 00:24:34,549 --> 00:24:32,580 yeah yeah well that's why we've got the 600 00:24:37,370 --> 00:24:34,559 image today it would have disappeared 601 00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:37,380 yeah yeah you see the CIA have these 602 00:24:41,570 --> 00:24:38,880 agents everywhere don't they all around 603 00:24:43,370 --> 00:24:41,580 the world yeah but anyway so well 604 00:24:46,130 --> 00:24:43,380 getting back to the recording 605 00:24:49,370 --> 00:24:46,140 um I've heard you know as I was 606 00:24:51,710 --> 00:24:49,380 researching this case I've heard that uh 607 00:24:54,350 --> 00:24:51,720 anyone who's listening listened to the 608 00:24:57,169 --> 00:24:54,360 original recording say if that's not 609 00:24:58,909 --> 00:24:57,179 authentic it's really a horrifying thing 610 00:25:01,930 --> 00:24:58,919 to listen to 611 00:25:06,409 --> 00:25:01,940 um he's in major distress which 612 00:25:08,990 --> 00:25:06,419 uh couldn't really be faked uh as you 613 00:25:11,330 --> 00:25:09,000 know as authentic as it sounds and uh 614 00:25:13,310 --> 00:25:11,340 last week James Fox was on and he said 615 00:25:15,830 --> 00:25:13,320 he listened to the original when he was 616 00:25:19,610 --> 00:25:15,840 in Australia years ago and he thought it 617 00:25:22,430 --> 00:25:19,620 was you know horrifying hmm and you have 618 00:25:24,409 --> 00:25:22,440 listened to the original uh I have had 619 00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:24,419 you uh the privilege to hear it and look 620 00:25:27,470 --> 00:25:26,880 the original type can be heard 621 00:25:30,049 --> 00:25:27,480 um 622 00:25:31,789 --> 00:25:30,059 online I can send you a link to it so 623 00:25:34,130 --> 00:25:31,799 yeah okay I'll put that in the show 624 00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:34,140 notes uh yes 625 00:25:39,529 --> 00:25:36,960 um it's a website called Jack Frost 626 00:25:42,409 --> 00:25:39,539 something or other and it says I've 627 00:25:46,130 --> 00:25:42,419 actually heard of a person yeah okay 628 00:25:49,390 --> 00:25:46,140 well Jack Frost 71 he does things on and 629 00:25:52,190 --> 00:25:49,400 read it on you on UFOs if that's yeah 630 00:25:55,909 --> 00:25:52,200 he's he's got this on his site and uh 631 00:25:58,970 --> 00:25:55,919 and it's called um ATC Valencia's tape 632 00:26:00,890 --> 00:25:58,980 on the Jack Frost 71 thing and you can 633 00:26:02,810 --> 00:26:00,900 listen to it and Haynes is giving the 634 00:26:05,090 --> 00:26:02,820 talk and running the tape and stopping 635 00:26:07,490 --> 00:26:05,100 and explaining it because the audience 636 00:26:09,529 --> 00:26:07,500 can't really make out what Fred's saying 637 00:26:11,149 --> 00:26:09,539 but they've never heard it before when I 638 00:26:13,130 --> 00:26:11,159 hear it I hear everything that Fred says 639 00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:13,140 and it sounds clear to me 640 00:26:16,370 --> 00:26:14,880 um and he and he explains everything but 641 00:26:18,289 --> 00:26:16,380 because 642 00:26:21,890 --> 00:26:18,299 Steve roby's part of the conversation is 643 00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:21,900 not on the tape Haynes has recorded his 644 00:26:27,169 --> 00:26:24,480 own voice in place of Steve Roby just so 645 00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:27,179 that it makes sense when he plays back 646 00:26:31,130 --> 00:26:28,799 so he plays both sides of the 647 00:26:33,289 --> 00:26:31,140 conversation and it's quite good because 648 00:26:35,510 --> 00:26:33,299 anybody can now hear that because it's 649 00:26:38,029 --> 00:26:35,520 online and that's a good thing because 650 00:26:40,269 --> 00:26:38,039 this was covered up this was suppressed 651 00:26:44,330 --> 00:26:40,279 by the Australian government 652 00:26:48,110 --> 00:26:44,340 as as James Fox would have said to you 653 00:26:49,789 --> 00:26:48,120 um he he's not allowed to say how he 654 00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:49,799 came to hear the tape because it's still 655 00:26:55,909 --> 00:26:53,279 it's under a 70-year clause people could 656 00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:55,919 do jail time for possessing that 657 00:27:01,010 --> 00:26:58,799 recording yes that's something so how 658 00:27:05,330 --> 00:27:01,020 did Dr hands get it but hey but there's 659 00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:05,340 no cover-up folks you know anyway well 660 00:27:09,710 --> 00:27:07,200 Dr Haynes was given a copy of the tape 661 00:27:12,110 --> 00:27:09,720 by an Australian UFO researcher who's um 662 00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:12,120 who's passed away many years ago a 663 00:27:17,630 --> 00:27:16,559 fellow named Paul Norman uh he was um he 664 00:27:19,789 --> 00:27:17,640 was from 665 00:27:22,010 --> 00:27:19,799 um from Tennessee 666 00:27:25,010 --> 00:27:22,020 and he moved out to Australia in the 667 00:27:27,289 --> 00:27:25,020 early 60s with his wife and he became a 668 00:27:28,909 --> 00:27:27,299 UFO researcher here in Australia 669 00:27:32,330 --> 00:27:28,919 and uh 670 00:27:36,169 --> 00:27:32,340 he got a copy of the tape somehow and he 671 00:27:38,450 --> 00:27:36,179 he took it straight to Dick Haynes so he 672 00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:38,460 hadn't because Haynes has the scientific 673 00:27:44,269 --> 00:27:42,240 ability to an Acumen you know to do the 674 00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:44,279 all kinds of 675 00:27:50,510 --> 00:27:47,520 uh audio metric 676 00:27:52,789 --> 00:27:50,520 um you know um investigations or um you 677 00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:52,799 know uh to test the tape and to try to 678 00:27:55,730 --> 00:27:54,480 work out what it is and he tried and 679 00:27:57,769 --> 00:27:55,740 tried and he couldn't work out what that 680 00:27:59,269 --> 00:27:57,779 metallic sound was 681 00:28:01,490 --> 00:27:59,279 um at the end of the tape but anyway 682 00:28:04,070 --> 00:28:01,500 that's what happened now there's a part 683 00:28:06,890 --> 00:28:04,080 two to this story that only came along 684 00:28:08,750 --> 00:28:06,900 after what happened was um 685 00:28:10,970 --> 00:28:08,760 the Science Channel decided to do a 686 00:28:13,789 --> 00:28:10,980 documentary on it was called The 687 00:28:16,250 --> 00:28:13,799 Unexplained Files it was on cable TV the 688 00:28:18,769 --> 00:28:16,260 History Channel well season one episode 689 00:28:21,769 --> 00:28:18,779 one is about this case the Valentine's 690 00:28:23,210 --> 00:28:21,779 case and I'm actually in that show and 691 00:28:24,649 --> 00:28:23,220 at the end of it they played that sound 692 00:28:26,510 --> 00:28:24,659 that's where why you've got the sound 693 00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:26,520 because it was out on on that 694 00:28:32,750 --> 00:28:29,760 Unexplained Files episode because they 695 00:28:34,370 --> 00:28:32,760 got hold of it somehow and used it 696 00:28:36,350 --> 00:28:34,380 um they got it from Dr Haynes Haynes 697 00:28:38,029 --> 00:28:36,360 plays it you see him hit the play button 698 00:28:39,890 --> 00:28:38,039 and they and they see the tape going 699 00:28:41,930 --> 00:28:39,900 around and you hear that now that funny 700 00:28:43,610 --> 00:28:41,940 noise because he'd been trying to 701 00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:43,620 investigate what that sound what could 702 00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:46,080 have caused that sound uh for many years 703 00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:49,440 now when that show um came to air or got 704 00:28:52,789 --> 00:28:51,120 played in Australia 705 00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:52,799 it rang a few Bells with other 706 00:28:56,450 --> 00:28:54,240 researchers now there's a fellow named 707 00:29:00,110 --> 00:28:56,460 Bill Chalker up in Sydney who had been 708 00:29:01,310 --> 00:29:00,120 investigating some UFO cases and he came 709 00:29:03,250 --> 00:29:01,320 across 710 00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:03,260 um a person who 711 00:29:08,330 --> 00:29:06,240 claimed that a farmer from South 712 00:29:10,970 --> 00:29:08,340 Australia had moved up to New South 713 00:29:12,350 --> 00:29:10,980 Wales for years before but this farmer 714 00:29:15,350 --> 00:29:12,360 said that 715 00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:15,360 um well the guy the fellow telling the 716 00:29:20,570 --> 00:29:18,720 story on the tape ran a hardware store 717 00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:20,580 and he spoke to all of his customers and 718 00:29:25,010 --> 00:29:22,320 he got all the UFO reports he could get 719 00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:25,020 and he kept them in a journal and he 720 00:29:28,190 --> 00:29:26,640 said the most interesting one of all of 721 00:29:31,250 --> 00:29:28,200 the ones he'd ever heard 722 00:29:34,250 --> 00:29:31,260 was when a farmer came into his store it 723 00:29:36,649 --> 00:29:34,260 was in kunabara bran New South Wales but 724 00:29:39,649 --> 00:29:36,659 the farmer was from South Australia 725 00:29:41,810 --> 00:29:39,659 and this farmer the very morning after 726 00:29:43,669 --> 00:29:41,820 Fred had disappeared in Melbourne or 727 00:29:46,190 --> 00:29:43,679 going down to King Island 728 00:29:48,169 --> 00:29:46,200 the very next morning an object was 729 00:29:50,570 --> 00:29:48,179 hovering around 730 00:29:55,010 --> 00:29:50,580 at 731 00:29:58,130 --> 00:29:55,020 um in Adelaide and making a funny sound 732 00:29:59,630 --> 00:29:58,140 and and he looked up he thought his 733 00:30:01,370 --> 00:29:59,640 equipment was faulted but he looked up 734 00:30:04,730 --> 00:30:01,380 and he said there was an aircraft stuck 735 00:30:08,690 --> 00:30:04,740 to the side of this large flowing disc 736 00:30:11,169 --> 00:30:08,700 hmm really stuck to the side like a moth 737 00:30:14,810 --> 00:30:11,179 stuck on a bumper bar of a truck I guess 738 00:30:16,789 --> 00:30:14,820 wow and he said it was just sitting 739 00:30:18,289 --> 00:30:16,799 there hovering there an airplane a whole 740 00:30:20,810 --> 00:30:18,299 airplane and he got the registration 741 00:30:22,250 --> 00:30:20,820 number and scratched it into his tractor 742 00:30:24,889 --> 00:30:22,260 with a nail 743 00:30:26,450 --> 00:30:24,899 so I wouldn't forget the number and it 744 00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:26,460 was the same number of the plane that 745 00:30:31,250 --> 00:30:29,039 went missing the night before 746 00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:31,260 so that's wow that's all in that's all 747 00:30:35,630 --> 00:30:32,880 in the book too and that's part two and 748 00:30:36,830 --> 00:30:35,640 the sound of the gentleman telling the 749 00:30:39,289 --> 00:30:36,840 story 750 00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:39,299 is also on YouTube I can send you a link 751 00:30:43,549 --> 00:30:40,320 to it 752 00:30:46,970 --> 00:30:43,559 so you'll hear this guy recalling being 753 00:30:50,810 --> 00:30:46,980 underneath this large 30 meter diameter 754 00:30:52,389 --> 00:30:50,820 or 30 yard diameter 90 foot object 755 00:30:55,490 --> 00:30:52,399 hovering above him 756 00:30:57,529 --> 00:30:55,500 making a strange noise and there's an 757 00:31:01,070 --> 00:30:57,539 airplane stuck on the side of it 758 00:31:02,690 --> 00:31:01,080 so we don't we we can't find out who the 759 00:31:05,450 --> 00:31:02,700 farmer was otherwise we would have 760 00:31:07,370 --> 00:31:05,460 interviewed the guy by now yeah but 761 00:31:09,649 --> 00:31:07,380 we're hoping that with the release of 762 00:31:11,690 --> 00:31:09,659 the book and with things like podcasts 763 00:31:14,510 --> 00:31:11,700 and that somebody who knows will 764 00:31:16,789 --> 00:31:14,520 possibly come out and uh and approach us 765 00:31:18,649 --> 00:31:16,799 and tell us oh yeah we know who he was 766 00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:18,659 and we can find out who he was interview 767 00:31:22,909 --> 00:31:20,880 him or the family or whatever somebody 768 00:31:23,810 --> 00:31:22,919 must know might be able to verify the 769 00:31:26,510 --> 00:31:23,820 story 770 00:31:28,750 --> 00:31:26,520 but it was down in Adelaide um 771 00:31:31,310 --> 00:31:28,760 in South Australia 772 00:31:32,930 --> 00:31:31,320 were there other witnesses there was 773 00:31:35,269 --> 00:31:32,940 supposedly someone was driving in their 774 00:31:37,789 --> 00:31:35,279 car and saw something green 775 00:31:39,710 --> 00:31:37,799 well that was the plane that that was 776 00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:39,720 before Fred reported that he was being 777 00:31:43,250 --> 00:31:41,279 followed or that he was seeing the 778 00:31:44,570 --> 00:31:43,260 object because that was on the way to 779 00:31:46,370 --> 00:31:44,580 capot way 780 00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:46,380 while that was happening while they were 781 00:31:50,210 --> 00:31:48,000 saying that Fred was actually busy 782 00:31:54,049 --> 00:31:50,220 talking to Steve Roby the air traffic 783 00:31:56,450 --> 00:31:54,059 advisor and resetting his search and 784 00:31:58,850 --> 00:31:56,460 rescue time because that was previous to 785 00:32:01,010 --> 00:31:58,860 getting to kaipaway when he got to K-pop 786 00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:01,020 way it was 7 P.M 787 00:32:05,210 --> 00:32:03,600 and that was all over 788 00:32:07,130 --> 00:32:05,220 um at that point he was about to turn 789 00:32:09,529 --> 00:32:07,140 left and go down to King Island 790 00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:09,539 and six minutes after that he reported 791 00:32:15,769 --> 00:32:12,960 being chased by this object so that was 792 00:32:18,049 --> 00:32:15,779 that was as relevant that siding with 793 00:32:19,669 --> 00:32:18,059 seeing the green light 794 00:32:21,230 --> 00:32:19,679 um it's just a little bit more relevant 795 00:32:23,510 --> 00:32:21,240 than me seeing it flying across 796 00:32:26,269 --> 00:32:23,520 beaumaris where my parents lived and 797 00:32:28,430 --> 00:32:26,279 where I lived at the time uh so they 798 00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:28,440 didn't see it follow an aircraft even if 799 00:32:32,450 --> 00:32:30,240 it was another aircraft 800 00:32:34,370 --> 00:32:32,460 now they saw that it could have been 801 00:32:36,649 --> 00:32:34,380 Fred flying past and it could have had a 802 00:32:38,930 --> 00:32:36,659 green light following it but Fred hadn't 803 00:32:40,789 --> 00:32:38,940 reported anything happening oh I see it 804 00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:40,799 was it was until he was halfway over the 805 00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:43,200 ocean that he reported so he could have 806 00:32:47,930 --> 00:32:45,120 been telling him though right oh yeah 807 00:32:52,149 --> 00:32:47,940 yeah absolutely yeah yeah yeah how about 808 00:32:54,529 --> 00:32:52,159 that absolutely so yeah but this um 809 00:32:56,930 --> 00:32:54,539 a couple of questions come up in Chad 810 00:33:00,169 --> 00:32:56,940 and I'm going to try to pop them up 811 00:33:02,029 --> 00:33:00,179 every once in a while but I also uh when 812 00:33:04,370 --> 00:33:02,039 I look at cases like this I like to 813 00:33:08,750 --> 00:33:04,380 always hear what the Skeptics say and 814 00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:08,760 get you to Hash it out so um and uh 815 00:33:12,350 --> 00:33:10,559 let's see and some of them I say are 816 00:33:14,750 --> 00:33:12,360 debunkers when they say things like 817 00:33:16,730 --> 00:33:14,760 suicide and stuff like that uh so 818 00:33:19,009 --> 00:33:16,740 Christopher wants to know has the audio 819 00:33:22,310 --> 00:33:19,019 at the very end ever been analyzed the 820 00:33:24,350 --> 00:33:22,320 coax out the voice that can be heard 821 00:33:27,169 --> 00:33:24,360 oh there's no voice in that last part 822 00:33:30,049 --> 00:33:27,179 there's no voice underneath it's just 823 00:33:33,470 --> 00:33:30,059 noise it's just noise about everything 824 00:33:36,169 --> 00:33:33,480 they can to it analyze it Haynes tried 825 00:33:38,750 --> 00:33:36,179 to reproduce that sound uh 826 00:33:41,570 --> 00:33:38,760 experimentally with aircraft radio and 827 00:33:43,310 --> 00:33:41,580 another aircraft and uh he never got 828 00:33:45,529 --> 00:33:43,320 anything that resembled the sound that 829 00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:45,539 came across the radio what's interesting 830 00:33:50,210 --> 00:33:47,519 too is that Fred was um he must have 831 00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:50,220 been Airborne uh because of the 832 00:33:54,529 --> 00:33:51,600 curvature of the earth and the distance 833 00:33:57,169 --> 00:33:54,539 that he was down at capeway he was 834 00:33:58,789 --> 00:33:57,179 uh the distance from the radio towers 835 00:34:01,070 --> 00:33:58,799 and everything he had to be airborne for 836 00:34:02,990 --> 00:34:01,080 that sound some people say oh that 837 00:34:05,570 --> 00:34:03,000 metallic sound sounds like the plane's 838 00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:05,580 gone in water and it's underwater 839 00:34:10,129 --> 00:34:08,159 they just just no evidence that he ever 840 00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:10,139 hit the water they searched the sea for 841 00:34:16,609 --> 00:34:12,720 a week they used a 842 00:34:19,310 --> 00:34:16,619 um they had two Orion avionics field 843 00:34:21,950 --> 00:34:19,320 aircraft from the from the Navy that 844 00:34:24,589 --> 00:34:21,960 flew around to certain deep they can 845 00:34:26,570 --> 00:34:24,599 search the depths of the ocean from a 846 00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:26,580 great height and they found nothing they 847 00:34:30,050 --> 00:34:28,320 would search for a week they found 848 00:34:32,270 --> 00:34:30,060 nothing that there was an oil slick 849 00:34:33,889 --> 00:34:32,280 found on the water that was searched 850 00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:33,899 that was tested and that turned out to 851 00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:34,560 be 852 00:34:40,369 --> 00:34:36,480 um marine diesel oil 853 00:34:43,190 --> 00:34:40,379 so so I mean that is pretty rare without 854 00:34:44,810 --> 00:34:43,200 them finding debris or some type of oil 855 00:34:47,570 --> 00:34:44,820 slick while you think of oil sticks 856 00:34:49,070 --> 00:34:47,580 mostly in larger planes but still you 857 00:34:50,450 --> 00:34:49,080 think that they would find some type of 858 00:34:53,089 --> 00:34:50,460 evidence 859 00:34:54,889 --> 00:34:53,099 um here's another uh question where was 860 00:34:57,589 --> 00:34:54,899 the last location 861 00:34:59,930 --> 00:34:57,599 of the radar picked up for the plane on 862 00:35:02,329 --> 00:34:59,940 the plane before it disappeared well 863 00:35:05,810 --> 00:35:02,339 it's about halfway almost halfway 864 00:35:07,250 --> 00:35:05,820 between kaipot white and King Island I 865 00:35:10,849 --> 00:35:07,260 don't know what the actual 866 00:35:12,470 --> 00:35:10,859 um coordinates would be but you could 867 00:35:14,569 --> 00:35:12,480 use Google Maps and you could find the 868 00:35:16,190 --> 00:35:14,579 location it's about because he'd only 869 00:35:17,930 --> 00:35:16,200 flown about six minutes when he started 870 00:35:19,250 --> 00:35:17,940 recording it and then he was flying for 871 00:35:21,650 --> 00:35:19,260 about another six and seven minutes 872 00:35:24,109 --> 00:35:21,660 before the communication stopped so he 873 00:35:26,089 --> 00:35:24,119 was about halfway between King Island 874 00:35:28,310 --> 00:35:26,099 and K-pop way 875 00:35:31,790 --> 00:35:28,320 so that's actual location 876 00:35:35,470 --> 00:35:31,800 here is the photo I made up with a model 877 00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:35,480 this is in my book it's a simulation of 878 00:35:40,910 --> 00:35:38,160 what it may have looked like for the 879 00:35:43,790 --> 00:35:40,920 farmer I have to see this object with an 880 00:35:46,910 --> 00:35:43,800 airplane stuck on it oh it's like upside 881 00:35:49,310 --> 00:35:46,920 down Wing too yeah see how the the prop 882 00:35:51,650 --> 00:35:49,320 is at the top yeah and the Tails hanging 883 00:35:54,530 --> 00:35:51,660 down that's exactly how the the guy 884 00:35:56,810 --> 00:35:54,540 described it and if a plane was in that 885 00:35:58,430 --> 00:35:56,820 position yeah if that if the plane was 886 00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:58,440 in that sort of position it certainly 887 00:36:03,290 --> 00:36:00,720 would run out of fuel within about 20 888 00:36:06,829 --> 00:36:03,300 seconds and that tape goes for about 17 889 00:36:09,890 --> 00:36:06,839 seconds and stops so that matches 890 00:36:13,310 --> 00:36:09,900 yeah you know some of the um some of the 891 00:36:16,069 --> 00:36:13,320 crazy Notions that have uh you know been 892 00:36:18,109 --> 00:36:16,079 put out there uh you know I mean anytime 893 00:36:20,210 --> 00:36:18,119 there's a really interesting case and 894 00:36:23,390 --> 00:36:20,220 this one is a rattling one 895 00:36:25,130 --> 00:36:23,400 um that is uh you know kind of it always 896 00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:25,140 has given me the chills to think about 897 00:36:28,730 --> 00:36:26,640 the whole thing 898 00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:28,740 um so anytime that happens you have 899 00:36:32,870 --> 00:36:30,720 debunkers and Skeptics coming up with 900 00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:32,880 silly things like oh it was the stars 901 00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:35,040 and they just don't account for all the 902 00:36:39,170 --> 00:36:37,200 other things that are involved 903 00:36:41,450 --> 00:36:39,180 um I thought the silliest one was that 904 00:36:44,450 --> 00:36:41,460 he was flying upside down and looking at 905 00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:44,460 his own reflection in the ocean uh in a 906 00:36:48,290 --> 00:36:45,839 small plane you're gonna know if you're 907 00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:48,300 upside down yeah yeah that's right 908 00:36:52,130 --> 00:36:50,160 that's right for sure you're going to be 909 00:36:54,770 --> 00:36:52,140 hanging upside down 910 00:36:58,730 --> 00:36:54,780 um yeah and so but but the one of the 911 00:37:00,950 --> 00:36:58,740 questions I uh I want to ask you is is 912 00:37:05,109 --> 00:37:00,960 it so that he never contacted King 913 00:37:11,450 --> 00:37:08,870 he was expected to be flying and I'm 914 00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:11,460 talking about the airport in in those 915 00:37:14,750 --> 00:37:12,240 days 916 00:37:20,329 --> 00:37:14,760 um he would have had to telephone them 917 00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:20,339 oh he would have yeah radio range yeah I 918 00:37:25,490 --> 00:37:22,800 guess so yeah um now the thing was there 919 00:37:27,290 --> 00:37:25,500 was a bit of a question about why didn't 920 00:37:30,890 --> 00:37:27,300 he ask him to turn on the runway lights 921 00:37:34,130 --> 00:37:30,900 at the airport but at the time when he 922 00:37:36,230 --> 00:37:34,140 when he put in his flight plan 923 00:37:37,609 --> 00:37:36,240 um he was aiming to get there during 924 00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:37,619 daylight 925 00:37:42,170 --> 00:37:40,560 he would have landed on the runway and 926 00:37:43,849 --> 00:37:42,180 how do you how do you actually reached 927 00:37:45,890 --> 00:37:43,859 that destination and not disappeared and 928 00:37:47,870 --> 00:37:45,900 gone off the radio before he got there 929 00:37:50,870 --> 00:37:47,880 it was still Twilight he could have 930 00:37:53,030 --> 00:37:50,880 landed on the runway without lights 931 00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:53,040 um all the cars driving around on King 932 00:37:57,170 --> 00:37:55,440 Island at the time wouldn't have had 933 00:37:59,630 --> 00:37:57,180 their headlights on yet because we have 934 00:38:02,990 --> 00:37:59,640 this long period of Twilight time of 935 00:38:04,670 --> 00:38:03,000 light had he been landed and then stayed 936 00:38:06,410 --> 00:38:04,680 there and gone and seen some people or 937 00:38:08,690 --> 00:38:06,420 something and come back later yeah it 938 00:38:11,390 --> 00:38:08,700 would have been a nighttime flight a 939 00:38:13,069 --> 00:38:11,400 return flight at night time but he never 940 00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:13,079 reached his destination and it was still 941 00:38:16,970 --> 00:38:14,400 daylight 942 00:38:19,849 --> 00:38:16,980 you know it was still Twilight when he 943 00:38:22,430 --> 00:38:19,859 disappeared so yeah 944 00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:22,440 yeah so there was no no question of 945 00:38:26,089 --> 00:38:24,240 having to turn on the lights at the 946 00:38:27,290 --> 00:38:26,099 airport and also he didn't put in his 947 00:38:28,910 --> 00:38:27,300 flight plan that he was actually going 948 00:38:30,589 --> 00:38:28,920 to land 949 00:38:32,569 --> 00:38:30,599 um he could have been just 950 00:38:33,890 --> 00:38:32,579 uh increasing his flight time he could 951 00:38:35,390 --> 00:38:33,900 have just gone I'm thinking I've done a 952 00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:35,400 U-turn and come back he didn't have to 953 00:38:39,970 --> 00:38:37,680 land to to increase his flight hours 954 00:38:42,530 --> 00:38:39,980 that was the point 955 00:38:45,410 --> 00:38:42,540 okay he's going to collect crayfish or 956 00:38:47,569 --> 00:38:45,420 something yes yeah that wasn't even yeah 957 00:38:50,089 --> 00:38:47,579 or visit friends or something like that 958 00:38:51,589 --> 00:38:50,099 yeah yeah well the thing is the French 959 00:38:54,170 --> 00:38:51,599 thing he wasn't going to visit any 960 00:38:57,230 --> 00:38:54,180 friends that we know of 961 00:38:59,450 --> 00:38:57,240 um but he had been there at a time in 962 00:39:00,829 --> 00:38:59,460 the past and somebody wanted to get a 963 00:39:03,650 --> 00:39:00,839 flight back but he didn't have any life 964 00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:03,660 jackets and they noted that this time he 965 00:39:07,870 --> 00:39:05,760 had four life jackets in the back so he 966 00:39:11,450 --> 00:39:07,880 could have brought passengers back 967 00:39:12,650 --> 00:39:11,460 but he was supposed to be of the 968 00:39:16,010 --> 00:39:12,660 original story was he was going to be 969 00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:16,020 picking up some crayfish and he had he 970 00:39:21,829 --> 00:39:18,720 had an ice box an Esky an ice box in the 971 00:39:23,950 --> 00:39:21,839 back and the the owners of the aircraft 972 00:39:25,849 --> 00:39:23,960 don't like you 973 00:39:27,650 --> 00:39:25,859 transporting 974 00:39:29,690 --> 00:39:27,660 Seafood products in the plane because 975 00:39:30,890 --> 00:39:29,700 the plan ends up spelling like a fish 976 00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:30,900 shop 977 00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:33,839 like the fish market so because you've 978 00:39:39,410 --> 00:39:37,200 had these things in the plane so he the 979 00:39:43,329 --> 00:39:39,420 the one theory was that he had these um 980 00:39:45,890 --> 00:39:43,339 life jackets to hide the Esky from view 981 00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:45,900 so he said that he couldn't get pulled 982 00:39:51,650 --> 00:39:48,960 up for bringing back these crayfish 983 00:39:53,390 --> 00:39:51,660 um uh the mechanic who worked on the 984 00:39:57,290 --> 00:39:53,400 plane said that many planes would come 985 00:40:01,310 --> 00:39:57,300 in and the the the crayfish or crawfish 986 00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:01,320 or lobsters would get out of the um the 987 00:40:05,150 --> 00:40:03,119 ice boxes and be walking across the 988 00:40:06,650 --> 00:40:05,160 tarmac and the pilots would be running 989 00:40:08,750 --> 00:40:06,660 around picking them up and putting them 990 00:40:10,250 --> 00:40:08,760 back in the box that's I thought it was 991 00:40:12,290 --> 00:40:10,260 going to be like a Snakes on a Plane 992 00:40:14,270 --> 00:40:12,300 type of situation that's kind of a 993 00:40:16,490 --> 00:40:14,280 common thing apparently but look we 994 00:40:19,130 --> 00:40:16,500 don't know we just don't know all we 995 00:40:22,010 --> 00:40:19,140 know is he it was a strange event 996 00:40:24,230 --> 00:40:22,020 strange things happened and uh he was 997 00:40:26,450 --> 00:40:24,240 never found and and we still have no 998 00:40:28,030 --> 00:40:26,460 answer to the mystery but he did report 999 00:40:30,770 --> 00:40:28,040 something that he couldn't identify 1000 00:40:32,329 --> 00:40:30,780 nobody knows what it was we've got that 1001 00:40:33,349 --> 00:40:32,339 photograph that's on the front cover of 1002 00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:33,359 the book 1003 00:40:37,250 --> 00:40:35,280 uh we don't really have much more than 1004 00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:37,260 that we have the unusual sound at the 1005 00:40:41,089 --> 00:40:38,640 end 1006 00:40:42,950 --> 00:40:41,099 and uh the family have no closure still 1007 00:40:45,170 --> 00:40:42,960 it's a missing person case 1008 00:40:47,329 --> 00:40:45,180 uh so it bothers a lot of people and it 1009 00:40:49,730 --> 00:40:47,339 bothers me a lot and it really bothers 1010 00:40:52,750 --> 00:40:49,740 me nothing bothers me more than people 1011 00:40:56,329 --> 00:40:52,760 trying to accuse the pilot of 1012 00:40:57,950 --> 00:40:56,339 misadventure I one of these uh Skeptics 1013 00:41:00,770 --> 00:40:57,960 said that they were running drugs 1014 00:41:02,390 --> 00:41:00,780 between King Island they don't there 1015 00:41:05,390 --> 00:41:02,400 aren't any drugs coming from King Island 1016 00:41:09,069 --> 00:41:05,400 it's a farming Community they have dairy 1017 00:41:11,390 --> 00:41:09,079 products you know 1018 00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:11,400 yeah it's ridiculous and it was years 1019 00:41:17,270 --> 00:41:13,920 ago this is back in 78 you know it's 44 1020 00:41:19,250 --> 00:41:17,280 years ago so right and and friends I 1021 00:41:21,770 --> 00:41:19,260 didn't even drink he wasn't a drinker 1022 00:41:24,109 --> 00:41:21,780 even he he wasn't into drugs 1023 00:41:26,030 --> 00:41:24,119 yeah yeah all right uh this is something 1024 00:41:29,450 --> 00:41:26,040 that I knew that I'd heard about that he 1025 00:41:31,390 --> 00:41:29,460 had uh you know an interest in UFOs uh 1026 00:41:34,130 --> 00:41:31,400 but to me that doesn't change anything 1027 00:41:35,870 --> 00:41:34,140 uh you know if someone has an interest 1028 00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:35,880 in UFOs in this type of situation 1029 00:41:41,690 --> 00:41:38,640 doesn't mean that he's willing it uh but 1030 00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:41,700 uh so what's a significance uh Dr 1031 00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:43,440 Richard wants to know of his interests 1032 00:41:48,770 --> 00:41:46,800 in UFOs well I I don't see great 1033 00:41:51,050 --> 00:41:48,780 interest at all in that because the 1034 00:41:52,609 --> 00:41:51,060 point is that was the year that Close 1035 00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:52,619 Encounters of the Third Kind was 1036 00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:54,960 released to the cinemas 1037 00:41:59,089 --> 00:41:57,839 UFOs were on everybody's in everybody's 1038 00:42:01,089 --> 00:41:59,099 conscience 1039 00:42:04,370 --> 00:42:01,099 he was flying a plane he had to know 1040 00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:04,380 what he may encounter at some stage if 1041 00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:06,000 you're flying a plane your life depends 1042 00:42:09,530 --> 00:42:08,400 on it you have to be aware of these 1043 00:42:11,690 --> 00:42:09,540 things 1044 00:42:13,849 --> 00:42:11,700 um the last movie he went he took his 1045 00:42:15,829 --> 00:42:13,859 little brother to the cinema to see 1046 00:42:18,190 --> 00:42:15,839 Close Encounters of the Third Kind 1047 00:42:22,670 --> 00:42:18,200 that doesn't make him a UFO 1048 00:42:25,130 --> 00:42:22,680 uh a crazy UFO nut case or anything and 1049 00:42:26,990 --> 00:42:25,140 how that could affect what happens to 1050 00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:27,000 you while you're flying what's flying 1051 00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:28,079 around you 1052 00:42:33,650 --> 00:42:31,440 no yeah no well that's like you know 1053 00:42:36,829 --> 00:42:33,660 people often bring up that Travis Walden 1054 00:42:39,170 --> 00:42:36,839 had an interest in UFOs ahead of time I 1055 00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:39,180 think someone's just uh I think someone 1056 00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:41,280 just wrote something about Travis 1057 00:42:45,770 --> 00:42:44,160 um but anyway uh that to me it's like 1058 00:42:47,870 --> 00:42:45,780 throwing the baby out with the bathwater 1059 00:42:50,329 --> 00:42:47,880 you know I mean it it doesn't well it 1060 00:42:53,810 --> 00:42:50,339 doesn't really mean anything you know I 1061 00:42:56,270 --> 00:42:53,820 mean I had a passing interest in UFOs as 1062 00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:56,280 a kid and uh you know I had a UFO 1063 00:43:00,650 --> 00:42:58,560 experience that doesn't mean that I 1064 00:43:02,270 --> 00:43:00,660 willed it in any type of way or or 1065 00:43:05,809 --> 00:43:02,280 imagined it 1066 00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:05,819 yeah but even if you you were capable 1067 00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:08,640 what what is this thing about you you're 1068 00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:10,079 interested in UFOs therefore you can 1069 00:43:15,309 --> 00:43:13,280 Will them into existence really 1070 00:43:18,849 --> 00:43:15,319 uh yes 1071 00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:18,859 you know ask Dr Greer 1072 00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:21,599 I'm going to get some mail for that uh 1073 00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:23,520 yeah okay yeah 1074 00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:26,160 um here I I like Dr Gray I like the way 1075 00:43:29,450 --> 00:43:27,839 if you send him an email he responds 1076 00:43:32,349 --> 00:43:29,460 which that's pretty good it's pretty 1077 00:43:37,069 --> 00:43:34,849 uh someone is putting something kind of 1078 00:43:39,290 --> 00:43:37,079 silly in there but uh so if you have a 1079 00:43:42,890 --> 00:43:39,300 good question uh please do put it in all 1080 00:43:44,569 --> 00:43:42,900 uh in all caps and I will post it up 1081 00:43:47,809 --> 00:43:44,579 there yeah I saw 1082 00:43:50,990 --> 00:43:47,819 um Unsolved Mysteries with uh Rob uh 1083 00:43:54,970 --> 00:43:51,000 with a stack way back when and uh they 1084 00:43:57,710 --> 00:43:54,980 did a segment on on this case 1085 00:43:59,150 --> 00:43:57,720 they did a very good version of it too 1086 00:44:02,290 --> 00:43:59,160 they didn't got nearly everything right 1087 00:44:04,190 --> 00:44:02,300 they just repeated the mistake that um 1088 00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:04,200 that um 1089 00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:06,480 the other guy did first of all and then 1090 00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:10,079 um in the earlier documentary uh in 1091 00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:11,520 search of 1092 00:44:15,890 --> 00:44:14,160 um Leonard Nimoy mispronounced Fred's 1093 00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:15,900 name and so Robert Stack did it the same 1094 00:44:20,270 --> 00:44:18,720 way unfortunately but that was a good a 1095 00:44:22,849 --> 00:44:20,280 good reenactment they did a very good 1096 00:44:24,770 --> 00:44:22,859 job of that yeah um yeah that was quite 1097 00:44:29,329 --> 00:44:24,780 a good one actually Robert Stoke doing 1098 00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:29,339 that yeah his his uh is uh Fred's father 1099 00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:32,160 still alive or has he passed yeah no he 1100 00:44:38,650 --> 00:44:36,480 passed on um early 2000s the year 2000 1101 00:44:42,170 --> 00:44:38,660 unfortunately and he never got answers 1102 00:44:43,490 --> 00:44:42,180 yeah because his mother your grandmother 1103 00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:43,500 is still alive and his sisters and 1104 00:44:47,329 --> 00:44:44,400 brother 1105 00:44:48,770 --> 00:44:47,339 I know he said he just is hoping that 1106 00:44:51,410 --> 00:44:48,780 he'll just see him walk in the door 1107 00:44:53,450 --> 00:44:51,420 someday which is very simple yeah yeah 1108 00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:53,460 yeah yeah yeah I mean 1109 00:44:58,309 --> 00:44:55,920 uh there was a 1110 00:45:00,050 --> 00:44:58,319 a guy kind of I'm really reluctant to 1111 00:45:02,089 --> 00:45:00,060 mention the name of this guy but you'd 1112 00:45:05,150 --> 00:45:02,099 know who I'm talking about I could text 1113 00:45:07,010 --> 00:45:05,160 it to you maybe uh in the chat thing on 1114 00:45:08,569 --> 00:45:07,020 society but without saying his name on 1115 00:45:09,589 --> 00:45:08,579 air 1116 00:45:12,530 --> 00:45:09,599 um 1117 00:45:14,089 --> 00:45:12,540 an xcia guy who was involved in the 1118 00:45:16,670 --> 00:45:14,099 Watergate scandal one of the guys who 1119 00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:16,680 broke into the Watergate Hotel oh came 1120 00:45:20,569 --> 00:45:17,599 out 1121 00:45:23,450 --> 00:45:20,579 that's like seven or eight yeah he came 1122 00:45:25,069 --> 00:45:23,460 out to Australia with his wife he said 1123 00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:25,079 he he had some information about the 1124 00:45:28,730 --> 00:45:26,880 Vintage case which Australians had a 1125 00:45:31,250 --> 00:45:28,740 right to know about 1126 00:45:34,250 --> 00:45:31,260 wow and he wanted an armed escort to get 1127 00:45:35,690 --> 00:45:34,260 into channel nine to go on a TV show to 1128 00:45:38,270 --> 00:45:35,700 tell us the truth about what happened to 1129 00:45:40,370 --> 00:45:38,280 valentich 1130 00:45:41,990 --> 00:45:40,380 um and I can't get hold of this tape I 1131 00:45:44,210 --> 00:45:42,000 went to their uh Channel 9 archive 1132 00:45:46,430 --> 00:45:44,220 people and at first I didn't know who 1133 00:45:47,930 --> 00:45:46,440 the guy was and they they couldn't help 1134 00:45:50,329 --> 00:45:47,940 me because you need the name of the guy 1135 00:45:53,450 --> 00:45:50,339 or the date of the show 1136 00:45:55,309 --> 00:45:53,460 for the archives to be able to be found 1137 00:45:56,690 --> 00:45:55,319 and later on I found the guy's name and 1138 00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:56,700 I mentioned the name and they said who 1139 00:45:59,089 --> 00:45:57,839 are you and why do you want to know 1140 00:46:01,609 --> 00:45:59,099 about this 1141 00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:01,619 and then he was never on our show 1142 00:46:06,890 --> 00:46:04,400 go away kind of thing 1143 00:46:07,730 --> 00:46:06,900 they didn't want to touch it and this 1144 00:46:10,130 --> 00:46:07,740 guy 1145 00:46:13,010 --> 00:46:10,140 um became kind of a folk hero in America 1146 00:46:15,470 --> 00:46:13,020 he had his own radio shows and stuff but 1147 00:46:18,530 --> 00:46:15,480 he did time for the Watergate thing and 1148 00:46:20,990 --> 00:46:18,540 his ex-cia and he claimed he needed an 1149 00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:21,000 armed escort to get into a TV station in 1150 00:46:24,530 --> 00:46:22,800 Australia to tell the story it's all in 1151 00:46:26,329 --> 00:46:24,540 the book but I again I can't put his 1152 00:46:28,849 --> 00:46:26,339 name I didn't put his name in the book I 1153 00:46:32,349 --> 00:46:28,859 don't want to be sued 1154 00:46:37,849 --> 00:46:35,329 okay and you have a look at the old cake 1155 00:46:41,630 --> 00:46:37,859 ever okay can you see that name come up 1156 00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:41,640 oh oh my goodness yes uh so so we don't 1157 00:46:46,069 --> 00:46:43,920 want to put that name out there I I 1158 00:46:48,650 --> 00:46:46,079 wouldn't say because 1159 00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:48,660 um how much of that can be verified you 1160 00:46:53,329 --> 00:46:50,880 can't really get it verified right he 1161 00:46:55,069 --> 00:46:53,339 was on that program because people 1162 00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:55,079 contacted me and said they remember him 1163 00:47:00,230 --> 00:46:57,359 being on the program and saying this 1164 00:47:01,970 --> 00:47:00,240 stuff about blintage and what he said on 1165 00:47:04,849 --> 00:47:01,980 the TV show was that 1166 00:47:07,550 --> 00:47:04,859 uh there's an American base at Pine Gap 1167 00:47:09,970 --> 00:47:07,560 in Northern Territory he said that they 1168 00:47:12,109 --> 00:47:09,980 have these drone these disc 1169 00:47:14,329 --> 00:47:12,119 electromagnetically operated disc drones 1170 00:47:16,849 --> 00:47:14,339 they can fly anywhere from surveillance 1171 00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:16,859 he said they flew it down one day the 1172 00:47:21,050 --> 00:47:18,720 big one came back with an airplane stuck 1173 00:47:22,550 --> 00:47:21,060 to the side of it and the pilot was in 1174 00:47:23,690 --> 00:47:22,560 it he was alive and he's now part of 1175 00:47:26,450 --> 00:47:23,700 their program 1176 00:47:28,550 --> 00:47:26,460 because he knows too much about their 1177 00:47:31,069 --> 00:47:28,560 top secret program oh yeah so there was 1178 00:47:33,410 --> 00:47:31,079 no no aliens involved no UFOs folks it 1179 00:47:36,109 --> 00:47:33,420 was just a misadventure with one of our 1180 00:47:37,730 --> 00:47:36,119 pieces of equipment sorry folks but he's 1181 00:47:39,050 --> 00:47:37,740 okay but he's not allowed to talk to 1182 00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:39,060 anyone because he's now part of the top 1183 00:47:43,910 --> 00:47:41,280 secret program yeah I mean he can never 1184 00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:43,920 contact his family again or anyone if if 1185 00:47:51,230 --> 00:47:48,000 that's not a made-up story yeah you know 1186 00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:51,240 that that is uh that's a great one I 1187 00:47:56,990 --> 00:47:54,240 don't know what it is yeah yeah so but 1188 00:47:59,930 --> 00:47:57,000 anyway that's what happens yeah and and 1189 00:48:03,050 --> 00:47:59,940 it's a great deal and you know we'll 1190 00:48:04,910 --> 00:48:03,060 we'll most likely never get closure on 1191 00:48:07,670 --> 00:48:04,920 it but however like you just said in the 1192 00:48:09,530 --> 00:48:07,680 beginning part of this show 1193 00:48:11,630 --> 00:48:09,540 um you know you're on enough podcasts 1194 00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:11,640 and you know your book gets out there 1195 00:48:17,329 --> 00:48:13,920 and I've seen this happen so many times 1196 00:48:20,690 --> 00:48:17,339 when a movie happens you know like for 1197 00:48:22,550 --> 00:48:20,700 instance when Unsolved Mysteries uh did 1198 00:48:24,410 --> 00:48:22,560 this I'm wondering if anyone came 1199 00:48:27,650 --> 00:48:24,420 forward they usually will report 1200 00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:27,660 sometimes you know later on that someone 1201 00:48:32,809 --> 00:48:30,000 came forward and and this or that but 1202 00:48:35,210 --> 00:48:32,819 when it gets exposure like this 1203 00:48:37,370 --> 00:48:35,220 um you know I mean people ask why do 1204 00:48:40,190 --> 00:48:37,380 rehash hold cases and one of the reasons 1205 00:48:43,250 --> 00:48:40,200 is uh you know sometimes people finally 1206 00:48:47,030 --> 00:48:43,260 come forward uh Calvin Parker 1207 00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:47,040 um his event back in 1973 some people 1208 00:48:52,490 --> 00:48:49,440 have recently come forward and they're 1209 00:48:55,069 --> 00:48:52,500 all verified uh what they saw and that 1210 00:48:56,990 --> 00:48:55,079 was back in 73 which is pretty amazing 1211 00:48:59,210 --> 00:48:57,000 yeah there's been a lot about that case 1212 00:49:00,890 --> 00:48:59,220 recently especially in England the 1213 00:49:02,809 --> 00:49:00,900 English ufr researchers have been 1214 00:49:05,630 --> 00:49:02,819 talking about that a lot yeah Philip 1215 00:49:08,089 --> 00:49:05,640 mantle is that really involved I got him 1216 00:49:09,470 --> 00:49:08,099 connected with Calvin uh Calvin's not 1217 00:49:14,210 --> 00:49:09,480 doing very well 1218 00:49:16,849 --> 00:49:14,220 um just to let everyone know yeah yeah 1219 00:49:19,250 --> 00:49:16,859 now Philip Mantle's working very hard 1220 00:49:21,170 --> 00:49:19,260 behind the scenes yes he does a great 1221 00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:21,180 job does a great job do you have 1222 00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:23,520 anything else uh planned or is this your 1223 00:49:27,410 --> 00:49:25,920 one case you want to focus on or are 1224 00:49:28,849 --> 00:49:27,420 there other ones that Intrigue you we 1225 00:49:32,210 --> 00:49:28,859 have about four four or five minutes 1226 00:49:34,190 --> 00:49:32,220 left it's an interesting segue that you 1227 00:49:35,809 --> 00:49:34,200 mentioned Philip mantle he's he's put 1228 00:49:37,309 --> 00:49:35,819 this to me he said to me George why 1229 00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:37,319 don't you write a book about the whistle 1230 00:49:44,270 --> 00:49:41,040 incident ah yeah that's a school case 1231 00:49:46,130 --> 00:49:44,280 here in Maryland where 1966 I believe 1232 00:49:47,630 --> 00:49:46,140 right exactly exactly where all these 1233 00:49:49,790 --> 00:49:47,640 students well I know I know quite a few 1234 00:49:51,950 --> 00:49:49,800 of the witnesses and I could write a 1235 00:49:52,730 --> 00:49:51,960 book about that and Phil said if I do 1236 00:49:54,170 --> 00:49:52,740 that 1237 00:49:57,770 --> 00:49:54,180 um he'll he'll publish it for me so 1238 00:49:59,210 --> 00:49:57,780 that's good yeah yeah but um I'm still 1239 00:50:03,170 --> 00:49:59,220 going to think about that I'm working on 1240 00:50:05,569 --> 00:50:03,180 it and um yeah but the it's I've Amazon 1241 00:50:07,790 --> 00:50:05,579 is fantastic for me because 1242 00:50:10,490 --> 00:50:07,800 um if you go to any book publishers and 1243 00:50:12,349 --> 00:50:10,500 try to talk about a pilot that's gone 1244 00:50:13,730 --> 00:50:12,359 missing and he saw UFO and you 1245 00:50:15,530 --> 00:50:13,740 disappeared that I want to know about it 1246 00:50:17,930 --> 00:50:15,540 that I want to talk about it they're not 1247 00:50:20,270 --> 00:50:17,940 going to publish it but with Amazon you 1248 00:50:22,550 --> 00:50:20,280 you put your files online and you and 1249 00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:22,560 and and they're now available so people 1250 00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:25,440 can just order it you know it saves me a 1251 00:50:31,609 --> 00:50:27,440 lot of work you know yeah it's fantastic 1252 00:50:34,130 --> 00:50:31,619 yeah yeah so it's great and so I am also 1253 00:50:38,089 --> 00:50:34,140 going I have already put the uh the link 1254 00:50:40,370 --> 00:50:38,099 to your book and in the show notes so I 1255 00:50:42,530 --> 00:50:40,380 I know that uh someone ordered it right 1256 00:50:45,770 --> 00:50:42,540 at the beginning thank you Martin that's 1257 00:50:47,690 --> 00:50:45,780 fantastic yeah no that's great I want 1258 00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:47,700 the story out there it's marketing is 1259 00:50:51,049 --> 00:50:49,200 very difficult looking it's one thing to 1260 00:50:53,089 --> 00:50:51,059 sit down and write a book and take five 1261 00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:53,099 years to do it marketing is a completely 1262 00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:54,480 different field I've never done that I'm 1263 00:50:58,970 --> 00:50:56,880 more of a technical guy I do electronics 1264 00:51:01,010 --> 00:50:58,980 I pull things apart and repair them I'm 1265 00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:01,020 I'm into photography and cameras and 1266 00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:05,040 repairs and on audio files and things 1267 00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:07,200 um you know I'm not a marketing person 1268 00:51:11,870 --> 00:51:09,599 and I didn't write the book for it to 1269 00:51:14,750 --> 00:51:11,880 become a big best seller or anything 1270 00:51:17,569 --> 00:51:14,760 that's not what my intention uh this I'm 1271 00:51:19,790 --> 00:51:17,579 I did this to defend the Missing pilot 1272 00:51:22,309 --> 00:51:19,800 because he's being attacked by people 1273 00:51:24,170 --> 00:51:22,319 who just relentlessly say it's his fault 1274 00:51:26,870 --> 00:51:24,180 he was an idiot he shouldn't have been 1275 00:51:30,170 --> 00:51:26,880 flying alone he was flying upside down 1276 00:51:33,230 --> 00:51:30,180 all this sort of crazy stuff that that 1277 00:51:36,109 --> 00:51:33,240 it's not true he was an intelligent guy 1278 00:51:38,450 --> 00:51:36,119 he was Common Sense on two legs to quote 1279 00:51:40,549 --> 00:51:38,460 somebody from the the Air Force Cadets 1280 00:51:42,349 --> 00:51:40,559 who knew him well 1281 00:51:45,170 --> 00:51:42,359 um I never met him personally I met his 1282 00:51:46,970 --> 00:51:45,180 parents I met his father many times who 1283 00:51:49,730 --> 00:51:46,980 used to go to the UFO I got involved in 1284 00:51:51,470 --> 00:51:49,740 UFO research because of this case 1285 00:51:53,690 --> 00:51:51,480 um I ended up joining the local UFO 1286 00:51:57,650 --> 00:51:53,700 group and I ended up running a UFO 1287 00:52:00,109 --> 00:51:57,660 research group for 14 years so 1288 00:52:02,870 --> 00:52:00,119 um it sort of has been a big part of my 1289 00:52:05,710 --> 00:52:02,880 life this case and uh so doing the book 1290 00:52:08,210 --> 00:52:05,720 about it is um it's kind of partly by 1291 00:52:11,870 --> 00:52:08,220 autobiographical because it involved me 1292 00:52:14,210 --> 00:52:11,880 to some extent only a small extent but 1293 00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:14,220 you know I saw this happen 1294 00:52:18,890 --> 00:52:17,520 yeah part of it the early path so 1295 00:52:20,630 --> 00:52:18,900 um I'd love to know 1296 00:52:23,210 --> 00:52:20,640 um you know why they want to keep 1297 00:52:25,549 --> 00:52:23,220 everything secret and you know now that 1298 00:52:27,770 --> 00:52:25,559 the American Navy and the Pentagon have 1299 00:52:29,450 --> 00:52:27,780 now come out and admitted that they 1300 00:52:30,770 --> 00:52:29,460 study these things they see them often 1301 00:52:33,650 --> 00:52:30,780 when they're flying around 1302 00:52:35,870 --> 00:52:33,660 it's now got scientific legitimacy 1303 00:52:36,849 --> 00:52:35,880 and and we still get Skeptics trying to 1304 00:52:40,130 --> 00:52:36,859 attack 1305 00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:40,140 Paul Fred Valencia to a 20 year old guy 1306 00:52:44,510 --> 00:52:41,760 he's just a kid 1307 00:52:46,790 --> 00:52:44,520 I know yeah and he just reported what 1308 00:52:49,130 --> 00:52:46,800 was happening around him you know that's 1309 00:52:51,530 --> 00:52:49,140 what it was uh and then he disappeared 1310 00:52:53,569 --> 00:52:51,540 and he's never been found so 1311 00:52:55,309 --> 00:52:53,579 yeah that's a tragedy 1312 00:52:56,750 --> 00:52:55,319 um I think it's a really interesting UFO 1313 00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:56,760 case because you don't get many cases of 1314 00:53:01,190 --> 00:52:59,040 Pilots reporting them flight being 1315 00:53:03,410 --> 00:53:01,200 buzzed by UFOs in the air and then 1316 00:53:06,470 --> 00:53:03,420 disappearing that's not a very common 1317 00:53:08,210 --> 00:53:06,480 thing to happen no and I think I've 1318 00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:08,220 Skeptics hate cases like this because 1319 00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:11,040 they can't pull it apart yeah no it's 1320 00:53:16,670 --> 00:53:13,680 it's a haunting one and again we may 1321 00:53:18,589 --> 00:53:16,680 never know but uh it's I'm glad that you 1322 00:53:20,990 --> 00:53:18,599 you tackled it and I was able to talk to 1323 00:53:22,970 --> 00:53:21,000 you and uh well it's been a pleasure 1324 00:53:24,950 --> 00:53:22,980 talking to you um no I really appreciate 1325 00:53:26,210 --> 00:53:24,960 it and thank you very much and I know 1326 00:53:29,569 --> 00:53:26,220 you got to get to work so I really 1327 00:53:31,790 --> 00:53:29,579 appreciate you uh hanging in with us and 1328 00:53:33,589 --> 00:53:31,800 uh you take care thank you thank you 1329 00:53:35,089 --> 00:53:33,599 very much and it's been a pleasure being 1330 00:53:36,970 --> 00:53:35,099 on your show thank you very much for the 1331 00:53:39,890 --> 00:53:36,980 privilege you bet all right thank you 1332 00:53:43,370 --> 00:53:39,900 yeah all right everyone so we'll be back 1333 00:53:45,230 --> 00:53:43,380 next week and we have uh David Clark 1334 00:53:48,049 --> 00:53:45,240 he's going to be talking about the 1335 00:53:50,150 --> 00:53:48,059 Calvin photo it should be a very 1336 00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:50,160 interesting show actually it has to be 1337 00:53:54,049 --> 00:53:51,839 pre-recorded I'm going to be live live 1338 00:53:55,910 --> 00:53:54,059 in the beginning and at the end and in 1339 00:53:58,670 --> 00:53:55,920 chat the whole time but I have to 1340 00:54:02,089 --> 00:53:58,680 pre-record because of the time 1341 00:54:03,950 --> 00:54:02,099 difference in England uh anyway so thank 1342 00:54:06,110 --> 00:54:03,960 you very much for watching today and 1343 00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:06,120 remember to keep your eyes to the sky